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Aleazlllll
Aleazlllll 1 y 4 mo 22 d
Lucifer Morningstar - vs - The Downstreamer (MV)
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The Downstreamer (MV) The downstreamers stomp lucifer
They created the manifold verse and there is a qualitife difference between everything they created and them


Each universe follow the ultimate assemble+ set theory
They are considering constraints on the ultimate manifold."

Maura suspected that she was going to struggle with the

rest of this conversation. "The manifold of what?"

"Universes. It is of course a truism that all logically possible universes must exist. The universe, this universe, is described-umm, that's the wrong word-by a formal system. Mathematics. A system of mathematics."

Maura frowned. "You mean a Theory of Everything?"

Anna waved a hand, as if that were utterly trivial, and her beautiful wings rustled. "But there are many formal systems. Some of them are less rich, some more. But each formal system, logically consistent internally, describes a possible universe, which therefore exists."
Some of these universes, as described by the formal systems, are rich enough to support self-aware substructures. Life. Intelligence.
Cassiopeia had spent time trying to teach him about a phenomenon just a little beyond his own horizon-as chaos theory might have been to an engineer of, say, the 1950s. It was something to do with the emergence of complexity. The Gaijin seemed able to see how complexity, even life, naturally emerged from the simplest of beginnings: not fundamental physical laws, but something even deeper than that-as far as he could make out, the essential mathematical logic that underlay all things.
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Aleazlllll
Aleazlllll 1 y 4 mo 22 d
Lucifer Morningstar - vs - The Downstreamer (MV)
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The Downstreamer (MV) Human scientists had a glimmering of this. His own DNA somehow contained, in its few billion bases, enough information to generate a brain of three trillion connections… But for the Gaijin this principle went farther. It was like being given a table of prime numbers and being able to deduce atoms and stars and people as a necessary consequence of the existence of the primes. And since prime numbers, of course, existed everywhere, it followed there was life and people, humans and Gaijin, everywhere there could be. Life sprouting everywhere, like weeds in the cracks of a pavement. It was a remarkable, chilling thought
Infinity is significant, you see," Nemoto said, too rapidly. "There is, umm, a qualitative difference between a mere large number, however large, and infinity. In the infinite manifold, in that infinite ensemble, all logically possible universes must exist. And therefore all logically possible destinies must unfold. Everything that is possible will happen, somewhere out there. They created a grand stage, you see, Emma: a stage for endless possibilities of life and mind."
Whatever the origin of the manifold, within it there could be an infinite number of universes. And in an infinite ensemble, everything which is logically possible must—somewhere, somehow—come to pass.

~ Phase Space
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Aleazlllll
Aleazlllll 1 y 3 mo 15 d
Lucifer Morningstar - vs - The Downstreamer (MV)
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The Downstreamer (MV) each mathematical concept generates a physical structure, and viceversa

Some of these universes, as described by the formal systems, are rich enough to support self-aware substructures. Life. Intelligence.

~ Manifold: Time, Part 4

Cassiopeia had spent time trying to teach him about a phenomenon just a little beyond his own horizon — as chaos theory might have been to an engineer of, say, the 1950s. It was something to do with the emergence of complexity. The Gaijin seemed able to see how complexity, even life, naturally emerged from the simplest of beginnings: not fundamental physical laws, but something even deeper than that — as far as he could make out, the essential mathematical logic that underlay all things.

~ Manifold: Space, Chapter 10

Human scientists had a glimmering of this. His own DNA somehow contained, in its few billion bases, enough information to generate a brain of three trillion connections… But for the Gaijin this principle went farther. It was like being given a table of prime numbers and being able to deduce atoms and stars and people as a necessary consequence of the existence of the primes. And since prime numbers, of course, existed everywhere, it followed there was life and people, humans and Gaijin, everywhere there could be. Life sprouting everywhere, like weeds in the cracks of a pavement. It was a remarkable, chilling thought

~ Manifold: Space, Chapter 10

there are also the matheamtical platonic concepts in a universe, that transcend the universe as well

for semplify

platonic concept of number 2>platonic concept of number 1>universe

and so on, and so on……

and this include as well the cardinals like alephs and epsilons, and event the large ones that scale completely beyond all this

~ Manifold: Time, Part 4

Cassiopeia had spent time trying to teach him about a phenomenon just a little beyond his own horizon — as chaos theory might have been to an engineer of, say, the 1950s. It was something to do with the emergence of complexity. The Gaijin seemed able to see how complexity, even life, naturally emerged from the simplest of beginnings: not fundamental physical laws, but something even deeper than that — as far as he could make out, the essential mathematical logic that underlay all things.

~ Manifold: Space, Chapter 10

Human scientists had a glimmering of this. His own DNA somehow contained, in its few billion bases, enough information to generate a brain of three trillion connections… But for the Gaijin this principle went farther. It was like being given a table of prime numbers and being able to deduce atoms and stars and people as a necessary consequence of the existence of the primes. And since prime numbers, of course, existed everywhere, it followed there was life and people, humans and Gaijin, everywhere there could be. Life sprouting everywhere, like weeds in the cracks of a pavement. It was a remarkable, chilling thought

~ Manifold: Space, Chapter 10

"Infinity is significant, you see," Nemoto said, too rapidly. "There is, umm, a qualitative difference between a mere large number, however large, and infinity. In the infinite manifold, in that infinite ensemble, all logically possible universes must exist. And therefore, in that infinite ensemble, all logically possible universes must exist. And therefore all logically possible destinies must unfold. Everything that is possible will happen, somewhere out there. They created a grand stage, you see, Emma: a stage for endless possibilities of life and mind."

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